tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post9064651659494123239..comments2024-01-24T11:20:46.055+00:00Comments on in regione caecorum rex est luscus: The Myth of GeniusUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-32953950404809171982009-10-13T21:24:34.137+01:002009-10-13T21:24:34.137+01:00"I'm guessing that in Jon's worldview..."I'm guessing that in Jon's worldview, the "right" to not be disabled (which doesn't exist) is taken away by people who are not working quickly enough to find a cure. I suppose it's also taken away by people who don't campaign for a cure heavily enough."<br /><br />Exactly... very irrational thinking on his part, but he's sticking to it... I think he&#David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10361832306977383560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-24947534470755809652009-10-13T19:42:36.511+01:002009-10-13T19:42:36.511+01:00Rights are taken away by people, that's for su...Rights are taken away by people, that's for sure. I'm guessing that in Jon's worldview, the "right" to not be disabled (which doesn't exist) is taken away by people who are not working quickly enough to find a cure. I suppose it's also taken away by people who don't campaign for a cure heavily enough.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-51418968273823071232009-10-13T09:05:55.449+01:002009-10-13T09:05:55.449+01:00"I fail to see how a 'thing' can take..."I fail to see how a 'thing' can take away rights, rights are something that are conferred by human beings and taken away by them."<br /><br />I'm with Larry on this. Assuming that autism is a thing in the first place (in the same way that cancer is a thing), it's hard to see how it can take rights away <i>in and of itself</i>. And autism is <i>not</i> a thing, like David N. Andrews M. Ed., C. P. S. E.https://www.blogger.com/profile/10361832306977383560noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-59156791091535383142009-10-12T22:50:21.263+01:002009-10-12T22:50:21.263+01:00L,
Done a Special Vid for you 16:9 HD - Heavy Buf...L,<br /><br />Done a Special Vid for you <a href="http://www.youtube.com/user/MisterZonkerHarris#p/a/u/0/m4Qd45QX5mk" rel="nofollow">16:9 HD - Heavy Buffalo</a>.<br /><br />I'm as drunk as you should be - working on my Auntie NAS production - also in HD 16:9. She shat on my boots. And I'm 'avin' 'er up before the Beak in the morning. And then Socrates is done.<br /><br />Be Socrateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12525104555859213125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-6544447529804274252009-10-12T20:39:58.924+01:002009-10-12T20:39:58.924+01:00Larry, You may comment on my blog if you stay on ...Larry, You may comment on my blog if you stay on topic.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-25762048010999267632009-10-12T18:02:24.683+01:002009-10-12T18:02:24.683+01:00Sorry,
I made a mistake:
99.8% - Bow Down, Amoeb...Sorry,<br /><br />I made a mistake:<br /><br />99.8% - Bow Down, Amoebae!<br /><br />Yeah, like, but so fuckin what? - I'm still a client of the Learning Disabilities Partnership - so stick that up yer Kanner's.<br /><br />Which for me, concludes this debate.<br /><br />Jonathan, you are seriously screwed in the Bonce, but it's got nothing to do with Autism. Get help (of the DBT,CBT Socrateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12525104555859213125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-6342567671799342962009-10-12T16:14:46.154+01:002009-10-12T16:14:46.154+01:00I have not stopped any of your comments Jonathan.
...I have not stopped any of your comments Jonathan.<br /><br />I fail to see how a "thing" can take away rights, rights are something that are conferred by human beings and taken away by them.<br /><br />It would be like saying being born a boy has taken away my right to bear children, absurd.<br /><br />However if you look at it another way, you could rephrase what you said and say that Larry Arnold PhD FRSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074432718592268750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-54738762722934147102009-10-12T15:41:01.606+01:002009-10-12T15:41:01.606+01:00Joseph: I don't know if larry will publish th...Joseph: I don't know if larry will publish this as he did not publish my last comment, but I have a right to be able to work up to my potential that has been taken away from me by autism. Parents of autistic children have a right to pursue research that will lead to better treatments (if not a cure because admittedly that is formidable goal) that will help them function as well as possible jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-3192847212859972002009-10-12T14:54:47.984+01:002009-10-12T14:54:47.984+01:00Therefore, no matter how much innate talent an aut...<i>Therefore, no matter how much innate talent an autistic person might have at any endeavor, 90% of the learning curve needed to become a "genius" has been taken away from them.</i><br /><br />Let me ask you this, Jon. Do you feel you have a right to be a genius, and this right has been taken away from you?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-21789402144238244092009-10-12T09:30:16.443+01:002009-10-12T09:30:16.443+01:00No Clay
I do mean Michelangelo, who is much overl...No Clay<br /><br />I do mean Michelangelo, who is much overlooked, he and Leonardo did not get on because they were rivals. It has to be said Michelangelo was much more successful than Leonardo, and did get things finished.<br /><br />As Vasari describes him "he was a man who would argue with Popes"Larry Arnold PhD FRSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074432718592268750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-89583868833975454562009-10-12T02:00:29.171+01:002009-10-12T02:00:29.171+01:00When Ben was little, his adopted grandmother said ...When Ben was little, his adopted grandmother said he was brilliant. When I was told he was PDD, I had a persistent idea of the bell curve--with those on both ends having more in common than those in the middle, and I'm somewhat shy to say it had a deified insistence, if that makes sense. "The really smart ones start off different, Rose",his godmother told me, "His mother was Usethebrains Godgiveyouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05026223483117357541noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-40279164058472950592009-10-12T01:53:36.819+01:002009-10-12T01:53:36.819+01:00Larry,
I think all golfers are genuises too becaus...Larry,<br />I think all golfers are genuises too because we know how to make golf balls bend around trees. We also have a secret equation for calculating double-breaking putts that we can all do in our heads.John Besthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03133970669787632440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-52598419206376517522009-10-12T00:48:48.273+01:002009-10-12T00:48:48.273+01:00Uh, don't you mean Leonardo DaVinci, rather th...Uh, don't you mean Leonardo DaVinci, rather than Michelangelo? Or has the latter simply gotten better press in the UK?<br /><br />As for Jonathan, I think he should redouble his efforts, and spend twice as much time twiddling as he does now. He really needs to apply himself, if he wants to get ahead!Clayhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09424036357963352399noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-91241273298459541782009-10-12T00:16:06.750+01:002009-10-12T00:16:06.750+01:00well maybe matt savage at music, Stephen Wiltshire...well maybe matt savage at music, Stephen Wiltshire at art, and there are probably some others who were able to apply themselves. Morton Gernsbacher claimed that persons with <b>severe</b> autism had made great contributions to the arts and sciences in her essay, "autistics need acceptance not cure", yet fails to mention these and would not respond to my email asking who these jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-80414473033744452992009-10-12T00:05:35.590+01:002009-10-12T00:05:35.590+01:0099.2% - Bow Down, insect!99.2% - Bow Down, insect!Socrateshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12525104555859213125noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-2220441403653671642009-10-11T22:17:52.490+01:002009-10-11T22:17:52.490+01:00By that definition then, Newton and Einstein (what...By that definition then, Newton and Einstein (whatever there place on or off the spectrum) still come in as genii.<br /><br />Michelangelo too, and Beethoven made significant advances in there respectives arts.<br /><br />Shakespeare too, towers head and shoulders over his contemporaries.<br /><br />Poor old Becks, remains just a celebrity sportsman, like his one time team mate Cantona, the Larry Arnold PhD FRSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074432718592268750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-81536520153916215272009-10-11T21:04:09.262+01:002009-10-11T21:04:09.262+01:00There's only one legitimate use of "geniu...There's only one legitimate use of "genius," and it's applied to people who have significantly changed a field of knowledge, and granted by people in that field. Extraordinary intlligence, whether it's in a so-called normal person or an autistic is not genius. And from what you said about Beckham (which is literally all I know about him), his skill would be more like that ofCS McClellan/Catanahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12528100633458181090noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-30729617343174313142009-10-11T19:21:01.815+01:002009-10-11T19:21:01.815+01:00In essence what you are implying Jonathon, is the ...In essence what you are implying Jonathon, is the opposite of what Tom Smith was implying in the original quotation about Autism and Genius.<br /><br />Do you then feel that there have never been any Autistics who possess that elusive quality of genius, or even talent?Larry Arnold PhD FRSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074432718592268750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-29888437635175516032009-10-11T19:09:38.290+01:002009-10-11T19:09:38.290+01:00Thomas Edison, considered a genius by some, once s...Thomas Edison, considered a genius by some, once said that genius is 10% inspiration, 90% perspiration. Autism impairs my capacity to apply myself and work at much of anything, as I feel the urge to twiddle (self-stimulate) all day, due to the <b> defect (not difference)</b> in my brain. I think this is true for most persons with autism, though I realize there can always be exceptions to the jonathanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14972394536850151087noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-76387060414292161892009-10-11T18:26:42.517+01:002009-10-11T18:26:42.517+01:00Practice and study certainly can bring performance...Practice and study certainly can bring performance up to high levels, and someone with only moderate ability can then maybe be even better than someone with ability but not practice, for example in musical performance.<br /><br />However there are limits, I certainly don't have the right kind of configuration of musculature to be a weight lifter, no amount of pumping iron would change that, Larry Arnold PhD FRSAhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05074432718592268750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-22240007.post-42837151617503377132009-10-11T18:11:34.094+01:002009-10-11T18:11:34.094+01:00I think a more interesting question is this: does ...I think a more interesting question is this: does innate talent exist?<br /><br />Some researchers think it doesn't, some think it does. Incidentally, this area of research overlaps with autism (see: embedded figures test.)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com